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		<title>By: Andy Jones Live &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Jones Live &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jan 2014 18:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Things I Dislike About Ministry (Part 2) [&#8230;]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Your Church Is Better &#124; Northwest Leader - Brian Dolleman</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-8282</link>
		<dc:creator>Your Church Is Better &#124; Northwest Leader - Brian Dolleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] wrote about this recently in this post, “Things I Dislike About Ministry Pt. 2.” Here’s a quote from that [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] wrote about this recently in this post, “Things I Dislike About Ministry Pt. 2.” Here’s a quote from that [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Things I Dislike About Ministry Pt. 3 &#124; Northwest Leader - Brian Dolleman</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7649</link>
		<dc:creator>Things I Dislike About Ministry Pt. 3 &#124; Northwest Leader - Brian Dolleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] This is part 3 of 3 posts this week. Check out Part 1 and Part 2. [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is part 3 of 3 posts this week. Check out Part 1 and Part 2. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Pridgen</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7575</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle Pridgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 15:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The feeling I get from those sin-specific sermons is this, 
           &quot;Well, church was pretty good today. I hope that message was really helpful for those members who are struggling with infidelity in their marriage. It&#039;s not really an issue for me, but Maybe one day they will teach me more about how to rely on God when life gets dark, and how to be biblically compassionate to people who disagree with me on important topics. Or it would be cool to learn about the ways that our scriptural portrait of God as a Father can inform me as to the ways in which I can be a great mother.... so I guess I will try again next week, and hopefully then I will hear something more suited for my life.... Maybe next week the message will offer something a majority of us could use... But for today... I really am happy for Joe Schmoe, who was potentially redirected from pornography today by the insightful readings from Leviticus. I only wish that hearing that rebuke could have brought more of our spiritual &quot;Cups&quot; closer to overflowing... But, there&#039;s always next week.&quot;

I&#039;m sure those thoughts aren&#039;t the ones that a speaker intends for her audience to think, and maybe I&#039;m the only one who thinks that type of thing. Just mentioning it in case I&#039;m not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feeling I get from those sin-specific sermons is this,<br />
           &#8220;Well, church was pretty good today. I hope that message was really helpful for those members who are struggling with infidelity in their marriage. It&#8217;s not really an issue for me, but Maybe one day they will teach me more about how to rely on God when life gets dark, and how to be biblically compassionate to people who disagree with me on important topics. Or it would be cool to learn about the ways that our scriptural portrait of God as a Father can inform me as to the ways in which I can be a great mother&#8230;. so I guess I will try again next week, and hopefully then I will hear something more suited for my life&#8230;. Maybe next week the message will offer something a majority of us could use&#8230; But for today&#8230; I really am happy for Joe Schmoe, who was potentially redirected from pornography today by the insightful readings from Leviticus. I only wish that hearing that rebuke could have brought more of our spiritual &#8220;Cups&#8221; closer to overflowing&#8230; But, there&#8217;s always next week.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure those thoughts aren&#8217;t the ones that a speaker intends for her audience to think, and maybe I&#8217;m the only one who thinks that type of thing. Just mentioning it in case I&#8217;m not.</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Pridgen</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7573</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle Pridgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 04:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and then we go on the slippery slope to all sorts of topics.... *Not reading your Bible daily will lead to wandering eyes, which inevitably leads to intense addiction to pornography, infidelity, your marriage will fall to ruin, you will live a miserable life.... (exaggeration, but you know youve all heard it preached before).... All I&#039;m saying is this:

There might be a handful of people in any audience who will be impacted by a sermon rebuking a particular Sin. But I think people in general, within Church and Within all other subgroups, are thirsty to find a way to get connected to God. The church has a duty to provide a realistic, adaptable, means of obtaining that &quot;wonderful Personal Relationship with our Heavenly Father, Jesus&quot; or whatever. K, thats my thoughts..I just think Pastors need to forget about all the spin, and just go for real. The word has the power anyways, not ourselves. Amen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and then we go on the slippery slope to all sorts of topics&#8230;. *Not reading your Bible daily will lead to wandering eyes, which inevitably leads to intense addiction to pornography, infidelity, your marriage will fall to ruin, you will live a miserable life&#8230;. (exaggeration, but you know youve all heard it preached before)&#8230;. All I&#8217;m saying is this:</p>
<p>There might be a handful of people in any audience who will be impacted by a sermon rebuking a particular Sin. But I think people in general, within Church and Within all other subgroups, are thirsty to find a way to get connected to God. The church has a duty to provide a realistic, adaptable, means of obtaining that &#8220;wonderful Personal Relationship with our Heavenly Father, Jesus&#8221; or whatever. K, thats my thoughts..I just think Pastors need to forget about all the spin, and just go for real. The word has the power anyways, not ourselves. Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: Danielle Pridgen</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7572</link>
		<dc:creator>Danielle Pridgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Nov 2013 04:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From where I am as someone who thirsts for interpretation and explanation of the Bible when I attend church, there is a lot to be said about re-preaching material. To me, if I can hear a sermon on a bible passage for the seventh time and leave church thinking, &quot;Yeah, that was a great re-preach. I saw something in a different light, that I didn&#039;t quite see the other 6 times.&quot; Then for me, it was a great experience.

The thing that gets me perturbed is when I leave thinking that I&#039;ve heard the message 6 times before and it still meant nothing to me, not even in a metaphorical way. I feel kind of fulfilled, but my itch wasnt quite scratched...The tough work week is coming quick, Sunday is half over.... and I wonder if maybe the hour and a half would have been better spent (spiritually speaking) by sitting alongside the river, taking in the grandeiur of nature, pondering the wonder of God... Getting my sabbath on, ya know?

So, since we have all established this to be a safe place to air our thoughts on God, church, and whatever else, I&#039;d just like to say a couple things that I wish pastors could realized from a congregant&#039;s opinion. You guys and gals tend to do this thing that some comedians do. 
Comedians will make a joke that is funny on a generalized level which will appeal to the majority of the audience. Then they proceed to make a series of statements which take the joke closer and closer to the line of unacceptable, until they&#039;ve only got a crowd of 3 people who are laughing on such a hysterical level, that they have tears coming down their cheeks.... Now in comparison to sermons that commonly get preached in church... It starts with a great love story between God and the Church, then the pastor explains the sacred covenant that is also expected within a marriage,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From where I am as someone who thirsts for interpretation and explanation of the Bible when I attend church, there is a lot to be said about re-preaching material. To me, if I can hear a sermon on a bible passage for the seventh time and leave church thinking, &#8220;Yeah, that was a great re-preach. I saw something in a different light, that I didn&#8217;t quite see the other 6 times.&#8221; Then for me, it was a great experience.</p>
<p>The thing that gets me perturbed is when I leave thinking that I&#8217;ve heard the message 6 times before and it still meant nothing to me, not even in a metaphorical way. I feel kind of fulfilled, but my itch wasnt quite scratched&#8230;The tough work week is coming quick, Sunday is half over&#8230;. and I wonder if maybe the hour and a half would have been better spent (spiritually speaking) by sitting alongside the river, taking in the grandeiur of nature, pondering the wonder of God&#8230; Getting my sabbath on, ya know?</p>
<p>So, since we have all established this to be a safe place to air our thoughts on God, church, and whatever else, I&#8217;d just like to say a couple things that I wish pastors could realized from a congregant&#8217;s opinion. You guys and gals tend to do this thing that some comedians do.<br />
Comedians will make a joke that is funny on a generalized level which will appeal to the majority of the audience. Then they proceed to make a series of statements which take the joke closer and closer to the line of unacceptable, until they&#8217;ve only got a crowd of 3 people who are laughing on such a hysterical level, that they have tears coming down their cheeks&#8230;. Now in comparison to sermons that commonly get preached in church&#8230; It starts with a great love story between God and the Church, then the pastor explains the sacred covenant that is also expected within a marriage,</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dolleman</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7537</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Dolleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Oct 2013 01:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I love this Robb. Glad you turned it around on me (us ministry/pastor peeps). Of your 8 things, I do at least 6 of &#039;em - and dislike that I do.

One of the dislikes - re-preaching material - is actually something I rather enjoy. 

People come and go in my church; the audience is always morphing and changing. I don&#039;t assume people know my background or story, and I feel like re-telling some stuff is important. Since the Bible has a limited number of pages, if we&#039;re preaching it, there&#039;s no way we will always have new material.

I do feel somewhat jealous of the traveling guys who have their 1 sermon of the year - they perfect it and preach it at every conference... I feel like my preaching could be a lot more riveting if I only had to develop one sermon per year. 

Truth is, I like the creative process. I enjoy writing and preparing. Love the challenge of it. I&#039;m happy with my 35 or so sermons a year.

Thanks for sharing, for being honest, and poking back. I appreciate it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this Robb. Glad you turned it around on me (us ministry/pastor peeps). Of your 8 things, I do at least 6 of &#8216;em &#8211; and dislike that I do.</p>
<p>One of the dislikes &#8211; re-preaching material &#8211; is actually something I rather enjoy. </p>
<p>People come and go in my church; the audience is always morphing and changing. I don&#8217;t assume people know my background or story, and I feel like re-telling some stuff is important. Since the Bible has a limited number of pages, if we&#8217;re preaching it, there&#8217;s no way we will always have new material.</p>
<p>I do feel somewhat jealous of the traveling guys who have their 1 sermon of the year &#8211; they perfect it and preach it at every conference&#8230; I feel like my preaching could be a lot more riveting if I only had to develop one sermon per year. </p>
<p>Truth is, I like the creative process. I enjoy writing and preparing. Love the challenge of it. I&#8217;m happy with my 35 or so sermons a year.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, for being honest, and poking back. I appreciate it!</p>
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		<title>By: Robb</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7534</link>
		<dc:creator>Robb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2013 23:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am enjoying this series. Honestly it&#039;s liberating for me. 

I feel like your blog is a safe place so I&#039;m going to put some things down that congregation members dislike about ministers: (when I say &quot;you&quot; it means pastors in general)

It&#039;s seems like a show, we see you acting.

You joke with us but when we joke back with you we get told we should have more respect.

You act like you&#039;re crying when you pray.

You don&#039;t say what you really want to so you don&#039;t offend people.

You put your ministry before your family, if you can&#039;t take care of your kids while your wife is on women&#039;s retreat, there&#039;s no way you can take care of your congregation. (I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll take heat for this one)

You can sermons, meaning re-preach one that you&#039;ve done before. 

You travel for money instead of putting your congregation first.

You &quot;fake it until you make it&quot; 

I guess through all of these the main point is BE REAL. We don&#039;t want fakes in ministry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am enjoying this series. Honestly it&#8217;s liberating for me. </p>
<p>I feel like your blog is a safe place so I&#8217;m going to put some things down that congregation members dislike about ministers: (when I say &#8220;you&#8221; it means pastors in general)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s seems like a show, we see you acting.</p>
<p>You joke with us but when we joke back with you we get told we should have more respect.</p>
<p>You act like you&#8217;re crying when you pray.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t say what you really want to so you don&#8217;t offend people.</p>
<p>You put your ministry before your family, if you can&#8217;t take care of your kids while your wife is on women&#8217;s retreat, there&#8217;s no way you can take care of your congregation. (I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll take heat for this one)</p>
<p>You can sermons, meaning re-preach one that you&#8217;ve done before. </p>
<p>You travel for money instead of putting your congregation first.</p>
<p>You &#8220;fake it until you make it&#8221; </p>
<p>I guess through all of these the main point is BE REAL. We don&#8217;t want fakes in ministry.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Bennett</title>
		<link>http://www.northwestleader.com/2013/things-dislike-ministry-pt-2/#comment-7532</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh what a wonderful life ministry would be if pastors could be fearlessly honest,  with themselves,  their church as well as their peers. But, it reminds of the scene in &quot;a few good men&quot; when Tom Cruise is demanding the truth,  but Jack Nicholson responds adamantly,  &quot;you can&#039;t handle the truth.&quot;  Sadlly, very few church goers are ready to accept a pastor&#039;s true self,  partly because they aren&#039;t completely honest with who they are either. They (parishoners) pretend to be the person they want to be, rather than be honest with who they really are.  This is perpetuated by pastors who continue to preach to the congregation and concerns that the people are pretending to be and have. 
If you have truly found a church where Honesty abounds,  then I am truly encouraged.   There is hope for the church, her mission as well as her testimony. 
Now,  if only pastors would be willing to be honest with eachother?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh what a wonderful life ministry would be if pastors could be fearlessly honest,  with themselves,  their church as well as their peers. But, it reminds of the scene in &#8220;a few good men&#8221; when Tom Cruise is demanding the truth,  but Jack Nicholson responds adamantly,  &#8220;you can&#8217;t handle the truth.&#8221;  Sadlly, very few church goers are ready to accept a pastor&#8217;s true self,  partly because they aren&#8217;t completely honest with who they are either. They (parishoners) pretend to be the person they want to be, rather than be honest with who they really are.  This is perpetuated by pastors who continue to preach to the congregation and concerns that the people are pretending to be and have.<br />
If you have truly found a church where Honesty abounds,  then I am truly encouraged.   There is hope for the church, her mission as well as her testimony.<br />
Now,  if only pastors would be willing to be honest with eachother?</p>
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		<title>By: Danae</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being enthusiastic and acting are not the same.setting the tone of your sermon is not acting its protraying it to help the message be more clear.because reguardless people interperet everything in their own way. I appreciate this movement of breaking these phony barriers by putti.g out there REAL thoughts and letting others know whats up. I dislike the phony stuff the fake hugs and all that so this type of revieling makes me sure that my family and I have found the right place to be ...Thank You]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being enthusiastic and acting are not the same.setting the tone of your sermon is not acting its protraying it to help the message be more clear.because reguardless people interperet everything in their own way. I appreciate this movement of breaking these phony barriers by putti.g out there REAL thoughts and letting others know whats up. I dislike the phony stuff the fake hugs and all that so this type of revieling makes me sure that my family and I have found the right place to be &#8230;Thank You</p>
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